RE: [alfa] RE: sports sedan

["Benjamin Woenig" <budweiser@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Any chance we could see some pictures of this amazing beast?

I met someone on work experience that was building an Alfetta GTV
with a Montreal V8 motor. He was retaining the original unmodified
transaxel. Unfortunately he wouldn't tell me where he got the Montreal
motor from though! Alfa made a number of Alfetta GTV8's with the
engines left over from Montreal production I think, so he was attempting
to recreate one of these rare cars.

Much of the literature I've read claims that the Montreal engine is
derived from the 33 Stradale (and other 33 variants) in "detuned form".
What exactly was "detuned" to make the Montreal's V8 more tame for the
everyday user?

~Benjamin W.
Adelaide, Aus.

Hi All

Some people may remember the car we built here in New Zealand. Unlike
Tony Edmondson's space-frame, silhouette special, ours is pure Alfetta
GTV steel body with Kevlar add-ons and replacement hood/bonnet, and
plastic windscreen. The first engine was a Chapparal V8 out of Ken
Smith's Formula 5000 but was later replaced with a Milodon V8. And as
pointed out below, we also retained the transaxle. Alfa transmissions
are "over-engineered" and one we swapped the input shaft to a GTV6 one,
it became very reliable even with over 550 hp going through it. The
engine sat inside the cabin - the firewall was untouched - and for
breathing, there was a cutaway in the windscreen with a collector box to
duct air to the 8 intake stacks. Drivehsaft was 1-piece with those
useless doughnuts replaced by VW cv joints. Driver sat in the rear seat
to drive. Like Tony Edmondson's car, this also won many national
championships.

Les Singh
Wellington, New Zealand


> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 22:33:56 +0930
> From: "The Baylys" <dabaylys@domain.elided>
> Subject: Re: [alfa] sports sedan
>
> Why ?  All the Alfetta based sports sedans I've seen have
> used the Generals
> V8 but retained the transaxle.  Tony Edmondson (Edmonson ?)
> won 3 Aussie championships in one, even after missing the
> first half of the season from a previous death defying crash
> and fireball.
>
> I've tried to trace what happened to Tony, with little success.
>
> I have some old magazine articles of his car
> somewhere.....I'll see what I can dig up.
>
> Beatle
> Oz
> - ----- Original Message -----
> From: <tessiedog@domain.elided>
> To: <alfa-digest@domain.elided>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 6:20 AM
> Subject: [alfa] sports sedan
>
>
> > Ok, now before you ask I am not drunk.
> > I would like any info or web sites dedicated to alfetta gtv
> sports sedans.
> > I am thinking of putting the gearbox up front with a quad
> cam V8 (probably
> jap yuck). The cutting of the tansmission tunnel and
> engine/gearbox fitting
> isnt the problem its what to do with the back end of the car. Any
> suggestions would be helpfull.
> > Cheers,
> > Dean
>
>
> Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 11:47:35 -0400
> From: Joe Elliott <jelliott@domain.elided>
> Subject: [alfa] Re: sports sedan
>
> At 10:47 AM +0000 6/28/04, alfa-digest wrote:
> >Date: Mon, 28 Jun 2004 15:50:23 EST
> >From: tessiedog@domain.elided
> >Subject: [alfa] sports sedan
> >
> >Ok, now before you ask I am not drunk.
> >I would like any info or web sites dedicated to alfetta gtv
> sports sedans.
> >I am thinking of putting the gearbox up front with a quad cam V8
> >(probably jap yuck). The cutting of the tansmission tunnel and
> >engine/gearbox fitting isnt the problem its what to do with the back
> >end of the car. Any suggestions would be helpfull.
> >Cheers,
> >Dean
>
>
> I think that problem could be solved easily enough with the rear end
> from an Alfa 6:
> http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jee/junk/cutaways/alfa6(car)rea
r_end.jpg
>
> On the other hand, when some people in New York (I can't say whether
> or not they were drunk) crammed a quad cam V8 in a GTV-6
> (http://www.andrew.cmu.edu/user/jee/junk/other/GTV8.jpeg), they
> retained the transaxle layout, and I'm not sure why you wouldn't want
> to, given that a V8 in the nose will probably weigh a lot more than
> the 4 and throw off the weight distribution even without shifting the
> gearbox forward.
>
> - -Joe
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