Re: [alfa] Re: RE: sports sedan

["The Baylys" <dabaylys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And here in Australia, 'Sports Sedan' is a class of auto racing in which a
LOT of liberty is allowed WRT the engines used in the chassis, and indeed
the chassis itself.

Beatle
Oz
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Joe Elliott" <jee@domain.elided>
To: <alfa@domain.elided>
Cc: <budweiser@domain.elided>
Sent: Tuesday, June 29, 2004 11:36 AM
Subject: [alfa] Re: RE: sports sedan


> At 10:20 PM +0000 6/28/04, alfa-digest wrote:
> >Date: Tue, 29 Jun 2004 07:49:37 +0930
> >From: "Benjamin Woenig" <budweiser@domain.elided>
> >Subject: RE: [alfa] RE:  sports sedan
> >
> >Any chance we could see some pictures of this amazing beast?
> >
> >I met someone on work experience that was building an Alfetta GTV
> >with a Montreal V8 motor. He was retaining the original unmodified
> >transaxel. Unfortunately he wouldn't tell me where he got the Montreal
> >motor from though! Alfa made a number of Alfetta GTV8's with the
> >engines left over from Montreal production I think, so he was attempting
> >to recreate one of these rare cars.
> >
> >Much of the literature I've read claims that the Montreal engine is
> >derived from the 33 Stradale (and other 33 variants) in "detuned form".
> >What exactly was "detuned" to make the Montreal's V8 more tame for the
> >everyday user?
> >
> >~Benjamin W.
> >Adelaide, Aus.
>
>
> I don't really think the Montreal engine should be considered a
> detuned Tipo 33 unit.  I'm sure they're closely related in many
> respects, but to my knowledge, all Tipo 33's had 2 spark plugs per
> cylinder and flat-plane crankshafts, for example, whereas the
> Montreal had one plug per cylinder and a cross-plane crank.  The Tipo
> 33's fuel injectors were upstream of the (guillotine) throttles, as
> is common on racing engines, while the Montreal's injectors were
> downstream of the throttle as is the convention in production cars.
> The Tipo 33 Stradale had a higher compression ratio than the
> Montreal, and the Tipo 33 race cars probably had even higher
> compression.  The Tipo 33 engines that I'm aware of displaced either
> 2.0 or 3.0 liters, whereas the roadgoing Montreal engine displaced
> 2.6.  In light of these details, I tend to think of the Montreal
> engine as a pair 1300's sharing one race-bred, dry-sump block.
>
> As far as official 116 V8's go, my understanding is that Autodelta
> intended to build the aluminum-skinned Alfetta GT 3000 using a 3.0L
> marine version of the Montreal engine (possibly for rally
> homologation), but the project was cancelled for economic reasons.
> Later, the German Alfa distributor built roughly 20 of what they
> called an Alfetta GTV 2.6i V8, using stock Montreal motors.
>
> -Joe
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