Re: [alfa] rotisserie

["The Baylys" <dabaylys@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Mr Hertzman wrote:
" FWIW, the Giulia body shop manual #1570 includes a "diagram of dimensions
of main unit attachments" covering Giulia Saloons, Berlinas, and 1300, 1600
and 1750 coupes and Spiders, well worth having either the original manual,
if you can find one, or in photocopy from the AROC  technical library. It
may exist on the Cardisc......"c

My Duetto Cardisc shows detail using a saloon floorpan.  I guess the 2-door
cars are very similar.

Beatle
Oz

Beatle
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "John Hertzman" <giovannisvedese@domain.elided>
To: <alfa@domain.elided>
Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: [alfa] rotisserie


> Sasha Nackovski and Beatle Bayly have started a discussion on the
> subject of body restoration rotisseries  initially for Sasha's 105
> Giulia coupe, but potentially relevant to any underbody structural
> repair.
>
> I would emphatically agree with Beatle that using the bumper mounts as
> a primary support attachment point is inadvisable, on any car but
> especially on a thirty or forty year old unibody. The bumpers on a
> Giulia were barely more than decorative trim, intended to provide a
> little protection against light contact parallel to the car's axis, and
> the chances of none of the mounts ever having been damaged and weakened
> either by accidents or corrosion are near zero. Would you lift such a
> car with a bumper jack? If you did, would you work under it? Would you
> even trust the designed jacking points?
>
> The suspension attachment points proposed by Beatle are a lot better,
> but still not foolproof. The risks of corrosion damage, accident
> damage, and cracks from metal fatigue may compromise both the repair
> process and the results.
>
> The one car on which I seriously studied the problem was a 1900 type
> four Superleggera coupe (a project long abandoned) on which the
> aluminum shell shrouded the wispy rust traces of a once steel platform.
> The proposed rotisserie would have had a core or armature from the
> grill opening to the trunk opening, surrounded with a spaceframe (or
> "birdcage") attached at several points to the doorposts. The 1900 had
> an open firewall and no trunk bulkhead, simplifying this solution, but
> on a Giulietta or later car the same result could be managed with
> front, center and rear sections bolted together through the firewall
> and trunk bulkhead.
>
>
> Nobody should underestimate the importance of achieving and maintaining
> correct alignment before replacing or repairing damaged or rusted
> structural metal. An excellent body shop did a beautiful job of
> restoring the damaged shell of Fred Di's wrecked Junior Z, but didn't
> get the platform straight first; Fred then had to either bend the
> straight body to fit a straightened chassis, or alter the suspension to
> fudge the bent chassis to match the immaculate body. Neither was an
> appealing prospect.
>
 I haven't checked.
>
> Also FWIW, Accessible Systems Inc (http://www.accessiblesystems.com) in
> Tennessee offers a line of modular rotisserie components, tilters,
> wheelstands, accessories etc. They are probably not a practical source
> for overseas clients, probably pricey for parsimonious US hobbyists,
> probably scaled more for US musclecars than for Eurosports, but
> probably worth looking at and possibly worth considering. Many of us
> will think we can do as well, or better, for less, on anything,
> "someday". Yet another project for the tail end of the queue.
>
> Enjoy yours,
>
> John H
> Raleigh NC
>
> 164 base
> Milano Platinum
> MBz C 230 Kompressor coupe
> Too many various 115 (ideal) & 116 (dubious) tintop projects
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