[alfa] GTV seat belts

[Mark Battley <M.Battley@xxxxxxxxxx>]

I'm really puzzled as to what the problem is?

When I bought my car (1973 2000 GTV) it had aftermarket 3 point
retractables, with the reel mounted down at the inner sill behind the seat
(using the standard mounting poit for the outer part of the lap). They never
retracted well because the angles were wrong. 

I recently fitted some adjustable angle retractors with the reels UP at the
shoulder mounting point. A much better solution. Came from
http://www.securon.co.uk/, model 514/30. The retractor actually ends up
horizontal. One retractor has the angle adjuster above the retractor, the
other below. The system works really well, wish I had done it years ago.

Mark Battley
Auckland, New Zealand

1973 Alfa Romeo 2000 GT Veloce
1998 Alfa Romeo 156 TS
1999 Fiat Marea Wagon, 2.0 20V
1989 Fiat Uno Turbo (just sold)


Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 14:15:04 -0800
From: alfacybersite <acs@domain.elided>
Subject: [alfa] GTV seat belts - long

Since only soft tops cars seem to come to my place, I am unfamiliar with 
the belt mounting "system" on the GTV's.

IF, it is anything like the one on an Alfetta, the reel would be 
securely mounted to the base of the B-pillars pointing upward with the 
belt going through a securely mounted (to the upper B-pillar), yet 
movable side-to-side rounded rectangular hanger, then proceeds down to 
(again a movable side-to-side) mounting point on the interior side of 
the rocker panel structure which is located near the rear, lower portion 
of the seat itself. There is an adjustable plastic piece which holds the 
male latch at a (hopefully) convenient height. Once seated the driver 
(in this case) reaches over his / her left shoulder, grabs the latch and 
inserts it in the stalk mounted on the interior side of the driveshaft 
tunnel.

Meaning, it is the normal arrangement for most any tin top vehicle.

Pray tell, how does one get seatbelts with the "impossible to install 
after the fact" movable side-to-side rounded rectangular hanger?

I surmise the GTV's mounting system is not like this and those buying 
the Securon 514/15 or 514/30 mount the reel in the lower rear and need 
to reach way, way back to get the male latch. Hey, much, much better 
than seat belts only.

Bruce Giller's description in the form of a question is as follows: 
"Does your '73 have those three-part front seat belts where you need to 
link the shoulder strap to the lap belt before buckling everything 
together?? And the lap belt has a retractor but the shoulder belt does not?"

I'm guessing the seat belt retractors are merely winders to keep the 
belt out of the way when not in use. If correct, not everyone realizes 
these retractors are strictly just that and the only way the belt is 
functional is when the belt is pulled until the retractor is no longer 
retracting. Meaning, the belt (and the shoulder portion) must be 
readjusted any time a different driver / passenger is sitting in the 
seat - unless they happen to have identical body structures.

I sell the Securon 514/15 diagonal seatbelt on my website. I am about to 
horrify Chris at Highwood since this is what he sells, but they are not 
DOT certified. However, they of course have been certified. One needs to 
realize when they are installing aftermarket seat belts in their 30 + 
year old car, they're pretty much on their own. I personally would have 
no worry whatsoever installing Any new diagonal seat belt made in either 
the US or Europe. Yet, if one is attaching the reel, for instance, to a 
very rusty piece of metal, something has to give should you be in an 
accident.

Enclosed is a recent answer from Securon regarding making the flexible 
30 mm stalk 10 cm shorter plus giving the reel's spring one more turn: 
"Dear Sir, We do not offer cable (flexible) stalks less than 30cms long 
due to the significant increase in potential for cable flexing fatigue. 
Also, to make changes to the stalk or retraction spring would 
necessitate an approval extension. Test and certification costs would 
make this exercise uneconomical for low volume. Sorry we cannot help 
further and thanks for your complimentary remarks. Regards, Richard 
Wills, Technical Sales"

Wish I could include more positive feedback, but whatever one does is 
most likely going to be a compromise. If I had a GTV I'd probably either 
source Alfetta - no wait - GTV6 diagonal seat belts or new Securon 
514/15's, and if the former, have them rebuilt, and install sturdy 
mounting points on the B-pillar and feel much more secure.

Vangelis Kokkevis: Get out a quarter and adjust your Securon belt reel 
slightly first one way, if worse, then the other way. You should be able 
to make them quite easy to pull out. Also tell your passenger not to 
jerk them. They're designed to sense a jerk as a possible accident 
coming up - imminently.

Biba
Irwindale, CA USA

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