Re: [alfa] Re: Stupid looking Alfas

[George Graves <gmgraves@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Actually TZ = Turismo or "Touring" Zagato, not Tubolare Zagato 
according to most sources. To be absolutely correct, the car was called 
a GTZ for Gran Turismo Zagato by the coachbuilder. The "Tubolare 
Zagato" name being more of a nickname based on it's tubular chassis. In 
my usage in the earlier post (below) Touring is English for Turismo and 
has nothing to do with Carrozzeria Touring. Sorry for the confusion.


On Dec 11, 2004, at 11:06 PM, Bernie & Diana Bennett wrote:

>  George:
>
>  ?Tubolare Zagato = TZ from its welded tube frame .
>  Touring is one coachmaker and Zagato is another. But according to 
> Fusi the cars participated in Grand Touring GT class races.
>
>  Best Wishes,
>  Bernie Bennett
>  Brenham, TX
>  4 Automatic Alfas -- '93 & '91 164 L '92 Spider Veloce and '78 
> (Alfetta) Sport Sedan
>
>  George Graves wrote:
>
> Is that the red coupe that looks like an XKE that somebody squashed
> between two other cars in a chain accident? If so, that's the Disco
> Volante Coupe, and I agree that it's butt ugly. OTOH, if you're talking
> about the red Kamm-back coupe with the green nose, its a Touring
> Zagato or TZ. Far from looking stupid to most Alfisti, they are among
> the most valuable of all Giulietta/Guilia based Alfas. Only the even
> rarer TZ2 is worth more money. De Cadinet  was so fond of the TZ that
> soon after the "Victory by Design" shoot, he bought himself one.
>
> I do agree that the Giugiaru designed, Bertone-built  Giulia
> GT/GT-Veloce/GTA  built from 1965 - 1975 is the most beautiful Alfa
> Coupe of all. With the original "step-nose" design being the best of
> all.
>
> George Graves
> '86 GTV-6 3.0 'S'
> (CA Lic# 'TIPO116')
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 10, 2004, at 10:32 PM, alfa-digest wrote:
>
>
> Date: Thu, 09 Dec 2004 20:51:28 -0700
> From: C M Smith <cmsmith@domain.elided>
> Subject: [alfa] Stupid looking Alfas
>
> Well now maybe the Disco Volante is your cup of tea but I say there
> goes a
> stupid looking car that might grow on you, maybe if you take the right
> drugs often enough and I don't mean prescription drugs. Even worse is
> that
> postwar GT coupe (can't remember the designation, but Alan de Cadenet
> drives one on the Victory by Design series and loves it but only from
> the
> inside surely, oh and I mean post WW II not the original WW now
> referred to
> as WWI). I can safely opine that BMW does not have a monopoly on ugly
> design briefs.
>
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