Re: [alfa] 164 vs. BM% e36

["Bill LeClair" <billleclair@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

I do have several track days with a 1991 164L 5sp. The track was Limerock
located in CT.

My first comment is stay off the brakes, they will start to fade in a couple
of laps with hard or even gentle breaking at the entrance to every corner.
Save the brakes for the end of the strieghts and they will be fine.

Next is cornering, the car is big and heavy compared to a GTV6, and less
balanced compared to a Milano. With all cars being stock I would say that
the 164 3.0 will outrun a 2.5 Milano and is about equal with a 2.5 GTV6. A
3.0 GTV6 will blow the 164 away.

The 164 will understeer but other than that it is fun and safe on the track,
Do not abruptly lift the throttle on corners (if you do it will oversteer) I
guess that applies for any car.

My advice is to take the car out on the track, you will have fun, the car
can keep up with early 3 series BMWs. The M3s and M5s will be passing you
all day, but have fun out there and concentrate on your lap times and keep
it smooth. You will not be embarrassed by driving that car.

The first Timed event I took third place in the novice class, the second
event I took second (only  a few 100s of a second from first). The other
times on the track were not timed, but I had fun.


The times at Limerock were in the high 1:16s low 1:17s, maybe someone can
comment on stock GTV6 times and 2.5 Milano times at Limerock. I was running
street tires.


Bill LeClair



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "danny P" <robustful@domain.elided>
To: <alfa-digest@domain.elided>
Sent: Friday, April 09, 2004 10:55 AM
Subject: [alfa] 164 vs. BM% e36


> Well, I know what you're thinking and no, I've never
> raced a BM% e36.  But has anyone seen a 164 go against
> an early 90's 3 series?  My wife and I participated in
> the Mazda Rev it up this weekend in Dallas. It was a
> great introduction to racing/autocrossing.  We did
> okay and got to try out the new 220hp Mazda 6.  That
> car sure is agile.  Not too sure if it's front or rear
> wheel drive though and not sure if I could tell the
> difference either way.  But back to Alfas, awhile back
> Michael Smith had challenged that a 164 can outbreak,
> outrun, and outcorner milanos and gtv6s. Considering a
> 164 is a little bigger than a 3 series, can a 164 beat
> a 3 series on the track?  Just wondering about it if
> the day ever comes for me to take the 164 out with my
> wife's BMW club track day.
>
> danny
> dallas, texas
> 91 164L
>
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