Re: [alfa] Nero Pastello (was: Clear Coat on Alfa Red Paint?)

["John Hertzman" <johnhertzman@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

I can't go farther than I have gone on the questions about pastels, gloss,
blackness, etcetera. My desk dictionary (yours may well differ) gives
meanings for pastel both as an adjective ("pale and light in color") and as
a noun - also "any of various pale or light colors", but primarily "a paste
made of ground color and used for making crayons". For crayon, "a stick of
white or colored chalk or of colored wax - ". I tend to eliminate the idea
of a pale or light black (and more so in the case of the very black
clearcoated "Nero Pastello" on my Milano) in favor of a chalk matte, but
all are free to differ.

Adding a wild card, Spiders (from PF) and tintops (from Arese) frequently
use the came names but different codes for similar but presumably not quite
identical colors. An ARI part-number list for touch-up paints gives AR 913
(my '87 Milano's Nero Pastello) for the '85 GTV6 black, AR 914 for the '85
Spider black,  AR 908 for the '82-'84 GTV6 black metallic, AR 907 for the
'82-'84 Spider black metallic, AR 909 for previous black metallics, and AR
901 for previous blacks. The 901 is the black listed for tintops in the AR
body shop manual; I also have a DuPont (but not ARI) listing of an AR 904
black for Spiders in the seventies. The black metallics, in at least some
cases, degrade into dark browns as they age.

John H.

> [Original Message]
> From: Dean W. Cains <dwc@domain.elided>
> To: <alfa@domain.elided>
> Cc: John Hertzman <johnhertzman@domain.elided>
> Date: 7/13/04 12:55:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [alfa] Nero Pastello (was: Clear Coat on Alfa Red Paint?)
>
> Hi John:
>
> I always think of a pastel color as one with a muted or pale shade, and I 
> think that's appropriate for the Nero Pastello because it's not a pure 
> black.  I've never associated the term pastel with the level of gloss,
and 
> would also say that the older yellow, "giallo pagoda", is a pastel 
> color.  Most people I'm sure miss it, but in just the right light, such
as 
> when the angle of the sun is low, my '87 Spider is a really deep, dark 
> gray, rather than black.  It can't be more than a few shades away from 
> black, but it's definitely not black.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dean
>
> At 12:54 AM 7/12/2004, you wrote:
> >Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2004 21:20:03 -0400
> >From: "John Hertzman" <johnhertzman@domain.elided>
> >Subject: [alfa] Nero Pastello (was: Clear Coat on Alfa Red Paint?)
> >
> >Dean W. Cains, responding to Ray Manners' question about clear coat on
an 
> >'87 Spider, wrote " Well, I've also got an '87 Spider Veloce, and
there's 
> >no clear coat over the 'Nero Pastello', so I don't imagine there'd be a 
> >clear coat over your 'Rosso'."
> >
> >I had replied to Ray last night off-digest saying that my '87 Milano had
a 
> >clear coat over a 'Nero Pastello' basecoat, and mentioned my initial 
> >puzzlement over the 'Nero Pastello' name. "Pastello" is, according to
the 
> >English-Italian-English dictionary, what it sounds like- the Italian
term 
> >for the English Pastel. In English 'Pastel' is usually a light color,
but 
> >even more usually non-shiny; it is the colored chalks used in certain 
> >artworks, and the English term comes from the Italian and ultimately
from 
> >the Latin, the same root as English 'paste' and Italian 'pasta'. So I 
> >assumed that Nero Pastello was the non-reflective or minimally
reflective 
> >black basecoat which derived most or all of its shine from a clearcoat.
> >
> >Whatever Nero Pastello is proves nothing about a contemporary Rosso, but 
> >if anyone can shed light on Italian use of the term pastello in
automotive 
> >paints I would be interested.
> >
> >John H.
> >Raleigh N.C.
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