Re: [alfa] alfa-subaru connection

[Jeffrey Kern <the.xtype@xxxxxxxxx>]

Okay, I will throw my two cents into the pot now.

I can back up Ales's claims that the 164Q4 drivetrain was NOT Subaru
derived, and that it was and still is a technical marvel (from which
Alfa never recuperated monetarily), but do so with words from an
interview with Giorgio Guefli and Giorgio Pianta
"The new Visomatic system, developed by Alfa in collaboration with
Austrian Steyr-Puch firm..." The engineer continues further with
techno-babble about the computer controlled vicous coupling, an
epicycloid, and how the 155DTM (420hp N/A 2.5l engine) car influenced
the design of the 164Q4 drivetrain's "same conceptual framework".

From Novembre 1993 issue of Quattroruote.

-Jeff


On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 21:39:32 +0200, Ales Golob <ales.golob@domain.elided> wrote:
> 
> 
> Joe Elliott wrote:
> 
> > Don't quote me on this, but I believe that the first AWD Subarus came
> > out in 1984, the same year as the first AWD Alfas.  So unless it was a
> > collaboration (in which case I assume it would be as oft-discussed as
> > the infamouse Nissan partnership of the same era), I doubt that either
> > manufacturer borrowed the technology from the other.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> > At 3:10 PM +0000 9/29/04, alfa-digest wrote:
> >
> >> Also, I think Subaru licensed some of the drivetrain technology for
> >> Alfa's 4WD sport wagon (mid 80's), as well as the 33P4 and the 4WD
> >> version of the 164 (also turbo charged, WRX beater?!), however Alfa
> >> stuck with their own transmissions, but perhaps the output drive
> >> box was designed by someone else?
> >
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> Well I think that all 33 (Permanent4, Sportwagon 4x4) used the same AWD
> drive and I'm not sure what it's origin is.
> On the topic of later 4x4 alfas, there was a 155Q4 which used the engine
> and drivetrain from the legendary Lancia Delta HF Integrale
> (2.0 turbo engine with 187 HP in Alfa's case). The other was the 164Q4
> which was a naturaly aspired 3 litre V6 with 24 valves and 232 HP -
> basicly a 24valve QV engine. The transmission was made Getrag (Porsche
> and alike) and the drivetrain was developed wth Puch-Steyr(for those
> of you who don't know Puch-Steyr is one of the mayor Austrian based
> producer of all terain vehicles, troop transports and such)
> I read once that the drivetrain itself is still a technical marvel, with
> each wheel being controled seperatly by the ECU it is said to outperfom
> the Audi's much praised Quattro.
> 
> Regards,
> Ales Golob
> 
> 
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