Re: [alfa] alfa-subaru connection

[Ales Golob <ales.golob@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Joe Elliott wrote:

> Don't quote me on this, but I believe that the first AWD Subarus came 
> out in 1984, the same year as the first AWD Alfas.  So unless it was a 
> collaboration (in which case I assume it would be as oft-discussed as 
> the infamouse Nissan partnership of the same era), I doubt that either 
> manufacturer borrowed the technology from the other.
>
> Joe
>
>
> At 3:10 PM +0000 9/29/04, alfa-digest wrote:
>
>
> > Also, I think Subaru licensed some of the drivetrain technology for
> > Alfa's 4WD sport wagon (mid 80's), as well as the 33P4 and the 4WD
> > version of the 164 (also turbo charged, WRX beater?!), however Alfa
> > stuck with their own transmissions, but perhaps the output drive
> > box was designed by someone else?
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Well I think that all 33 (Permanent4, Sportwagon 4x4) used the same AWD 
drive and I'm not sure what it's origin is.
On the topic of later 4x4 alfas, there was a 155Q4 which used the engine 
and drivetrain from the legendary Lancia Delta HF Integrale
(2.0 turbo engine with 187 HP in Alfa's case). The other was the 164Q4 
which was a naturaly aspired 3 litre V6 with 24 valves and 232 HP -
basicly a 24valve QV engine. The transmission was made Getrag (Porsche 
and alike) and the drivetrain was developed wth Puch-Steyr(for those
of you who don't know Puch-Steyr is one of the mayor Austrian based 
producer of all terain vehicles, troop transports and such)
I read once that the drivetrain itself is still a technical marvel, with 
each wheel being controled seperatly by the ECU it is said to outperfom
the Audi's much praised Quattro.

Regards,
Ales Golob
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